Comments on: What was Jasper thinking? http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/ Twilight Series Theories - Your Source for Twilight News and Speculations Thu, 22 Mar 2018 09:05:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.5 By: Ravyn Hale (Jazzy's new wife Alice was cheating on him with Seth) http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-3/#comment-103659 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:54:05 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-103659 I think it is that Jasper can sense the others emotions and so there is so much extra stress on him that he has a harder time with his diet and then during the hunt slip ups would be that only carlisle can stop

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By: Isabella http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-3/#comment-73569 Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:18:45 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-73569 P.S
I personally love Jasper, and I think it ought to be pointed out that since Jazz is far-and-away the best fighter in the coven, he could have EASILY beaten Edward, Emmett, Rosalie and anyone else in his way, had he really wanted to kill Bella.
I don’t actually find that Bella is the most likeable character. In Breaking Dawn, for example, she is just soo irritating about the whole baby thing. I don’t normally go for Jacob either, but the whole “cooing over the sweet little monster” thing was just wrong! She needed an abortion! I would have gotten one!
Team Jazz <3 xoxox

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By: Isabella http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-3/#comment-73565 Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:10:06 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-73565 Poor Jazz! Remember it’s also because the “Cullen lifestyle” is not his first choice… He does it for Alice. This makes it much harder on him because he is not as dedicated to it as the other Cullens.
New Moon describes how he had moved in “closer than usual” as she opened the present, he usually stays quite a good distance away from Bella to be safe. This would make it that much worse when she started bleeding.
As for Alice not foreseeing it, Hell, Bella did not DECIDE to get a paper-cut! Jazz didn’t DECIDE to attack her, he didn’t plan to beforehand and he couldn’t help it. Therefore, it all happened in a snap and Alice din’t have time to see it coming.
Finally, in Twilight, in the ballet-studio, Jasper would have been mentally preparing himself for the blood beforehand, he would have been distracted by James and the desire to protect Alice from James, and then he quickly left with Emmett.
Team Jazz <3 xoxox

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By: Jen http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-3/#comment-70627 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:32:43 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-70627 What I don’t understand…In the movie, Jasper is able to be in the same room with Bella while they are killing James; Her blood was all over the place…Why didn’t he snap on her then?

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By: Elizabeth http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-3/#comment-63264 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:02:58 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-63264 I <33333333 Jasper he is cooler than dry ice

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By: Tricia http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-3/#comment-62043 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:50:45 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-62043 Jaspers reaction was instinctual! We have all read and this before….because he is the newest member to the vegetarian diet, he struggle the most with staying on track. Jasper’s history as a vampire pre-Cullens was riddled with blood and violence. As part of Maria’s army he was constantly feeding on human blood to combat and control the newborns within the army. As a result, Jasper reacted instantaneously to the smell of Bella’s blood.

As for Alice’s vision, or lack there of, it is likely that Alice did see the incident happening. She was watching Jasper so closely as Stephenie Meyer explained in the drafted, unedited chapters of “Midnight Sun’ (published on her website). Alice most likely did see the birthday party paper-cut incident happening. Her vision would also have included the outcome of Jasper’s inability to harm Bella. Stephenie Meyer did an unbelievable job of tying all the books together intricately, and specifically with Alice’s ability. For example, in Breaking Dawn, Bella finds out that Alice purchased a wedding dress back in the 1800’s in anticipation that her vision of Bella and Edward’s meeting, relationship and consequent wedding would take place. Alice is thorough in following all possible avenues and directions her visions might go, positive or negative. I believe that Alice knew this was part what is now the history of Edward and Bella. She always knew that Bella would become part of their coven as a vampire, one way or another. In Eclipse, Alice touched Aro’s hands, subsequently sharing all thoughts she has ever had, including all the visions and changes to Bella’s future story as a vampire and a Cullen, including Jasper’s reaction to Bella’s paper cut.

…..I love your podcast! I became a twihard in 2008 and found your podcast on iTunes recently. I have actually gone back and read all the books in the saga (for the 4th time) while using your podcast as an interesting guide. Thanks Kassie and Kallie, guests and staff!!!

-Tricia

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By: Caroline McWilliams http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-2/#comment-62023 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:03:22 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-62023 Hey Guys I love the podcast. Now I belive that Jasper wasn’t thinking during Bella’s party. This is because once a Vampire sees or really smells blood their mind goes black and they have the overpowering urge to attack. As we know from reading a Midnight Sun the vampire, even calm controlled Edward had trouble sitting next to Bella without killing her. And this was in a classroom and she wasn’t bleeding. I know in the situation there was the La Tua Cantante , so it is diffrent but I is the only comparison we are given. So the moment Bella was cut jaspers brain shut off and he lunged. As for Alice I am sure that she didn’t see until Jasper smelt the blood and she probably couldn’t do anyhting to stop it, because remember how sudden Bella’s cut came. I think Alice didn’t see a vision for a while because Jasper wasn’t thinking about it ,changing his mind, and there wasn’t a profuse time for the attack to occur. Sorry this was kinda long.

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By: Becky J http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-2/#comment-61958 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:24:14 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-61958 hey kallie and kassie 🙂
i could listen to you guys for hours, any free time i have is taken up listening to you, i listen to your podcast on the way to school and all that LOL.

This is a really tough question because obviously we aren’t all Edwards :L mind readers. Alice’s visions are based on choice and paper cuts are only by chance not a decision. Also Jasper (hopefully) hadn’t made the decision in his mind to bite Bella if she bled, hopefully that would have been picked up by Edward or Alice before hand.

When this incident happened I didn’t hold a grudge against Jasper, and i hope the other characters didn’t also. The only feelings I had at this point (like Bella) was that Edward over-reacted, there was no need for him or his family to leave as it was just a slip up, it wasn’t like he did bite her. However I think that from Edward’s point of view he realised exactly how fragile Bella is and that a small incident like a paper cut could lead to her death.

But when it comes to Jasper, personally i love Jasper, he could almost be the vampire with the most will power, even though Edward is putting himself in a more vunerable situation; Jasper used to be a human killing vampire like all the others and has now converted into a “vegetarian” we all know how tempted we get if we are trying to give up even something as simple as chocolate. Jasper has had the free reign of humans before now and knows the taste of blood, perhaps more than the others as he was in charge of creating newborns. So when he lunged for Bella, after the event i think he must have felt like he had betrayed his family and that what he did was unacceptable. He might of felt that Alice had the right not to love him anymore and that if the Cullens wanted to kick him out of their coven he would leave without asking questions. If i was in his situation i would also be very frustrated with myself, because everything they worked for could have been destroyed in an instant, because of this slip up; even though the Cullens would begrudge him that slip up as it’s in the nature of vampires to go after human blood, i don’t think that Jasper could have lived with that guilt of killing his brother’s love. Also i think that Jasper tried hard when he was going to lunge to stop himself, as he could have very easily killed Bella before Edward could react, even with Edward’s mind power, but he let Edward stop him, Jasper could have fought back but didn’t he succumed to Edwards power, showing some of his strength..

Even though what happened was a bad incident and caused Edward and the Cullens to leave Bella, it was a small incident and NO-ONE should bare grudge to him as he does try hard. I think that this incident has urged Jasper to try harder to resist human blood, so that this can never happen again, making him a “stronger” vampire.

much love.
becky jones.
(Wales!!!)

try saying this LOL
TST ydy’r gorau!
it means “TST is the best”

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By: Julia C http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-2/#comment-61742 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:07:20 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-61742 Hey Kallie and Kassie, I absolutely love your podcast! You should never worry about it being too long, I could listen to you guys for hours!

Personally, I never had any hard feelings towards Jasper after what happened, and I hoped others didn’t either. He wasn’t thinking clearly because the lust for blood took over, so no one should be too hard on him for it, and Jasper obviously felt tremendously guilty after he’d come to his senses. Also, Bella had known what she’d been getting into from the start, and I think just thought that something like this was inevitable.

So to answer your second question, why Alice didn’t see this coming, I think this was because Jasper made a split-second decision to lunge at Bella. Alice only sees visions after a decision is made, so she may have seen the attempt the moment before it occurred, but it already would’ve been too late for her to do anything by then.

As to what should make it into the movie, obviously the birthday party scene was crucial. I think they should also include the scene afterwards when Carlisle is sewing up Bella because it is one of the main parts of the series when you learn why Edward doesn’t want to change Bella. Besides the fact that the birthday scene is necessary for the story line, I think the talk between Bella and Carlisle afterward is just as important.

Love your show!

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By: JCHAus http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-2/#comment-61736 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:48:05 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-61736 I don’t think Jasper was actually “thinking”, he was reacting. Edward said that when vampires come across human blood they lose all control and essentially become slaves to their senses. With Jasper being the newest vegetarian then obviously he would be the most susceptible to this vice. I think that Alice didn’t see this coming simply because it wasn’t planned, kind of like when Bella went to La Push to visit Jake on a whim for the first time In Eclipse – Alice couldn’t see it because Bella had not decided to do it until that moment without any forethought.

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By: Hanalee http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-2/#comment-61718 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:08:33 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-61718 I think the reason Alice didn’t see it was that it was very spur of the moment. She only sees decisions, and Bells opening the present in such a way wasn’t really planned, and neither was Jazz’s attack. I think he probably feels terribly about it. As we knew from BD, he just has a really really bad ability to self control, which (debatably) isn’t his fault. I really feel bad for him, more so than Bella, because she’s of a very forgiving nature where as Jasper probably will be beating himself up over this for eternity.

I quite frankly think it’s really really weird that there was never a scene in Eclipse or BD in which Jasper every brings it up to Bella that maybe he’s sorry for trying to murder her. I know it was an accident, and that he has a fairly weak will, but from the little tastes we get of him, he seems like a true Southern gentleman, and based off that character it seems to me like he’d want to appologize to Bella for ruining her b-day by means of attempted murder…..I really love Jazz and I felt like we could do with some more of him….and I feel like it would have been very in character of him to want to say he was sorry. Maybe it’s an outtake somewhere…….
-Hanalee
ps- I really love you guys and your fablous accents!

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By: laCullensCantante http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-2/#comment-61707 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:28:03 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-61707 ok first off i LOVE LOVE LOVE ur podcast and kassie i swear ur my long lost twin(love u 2 kallie)

newayz to the question i think that jasper reacted the way he did because no one saw it coming everyone was having a nice time and didnt suspect something bad was gonna happen therefore thats why he wasnt prepared to have a whiff of bella so he just acted on the instinct of smell. poor jasper i feel like he’ll never live this down. as for alice not seeing it i think it was either because she was so focused on the party and maybe checking bella wasnt going to have a fit that she never saw that it could happen. i think it would be kinda funny if alice saw bella getting sewed up by carlile and just assumed she had a bella moment lolz. or it was the more likely that no one planned for bella to cut her finger but thats a boring explanation. as for what i wanna see in the movie i want the whole scene to go in slow mo lolz for kristen to cut her finger really slowly and then for jackson to dive for her really slowly while everyone is simultaneously saying “NOOOOOO” and holding thier breath. if that really happened i would die laughing even if it is a serious part.

sorry about the ramble and once again LOVE THE PODCAST

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By: Amanda G http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-2/#comment-61698 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:15:36 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-61698 I think he was thinking: I AM A VAMPIRE! THATS WHAT I DO! or: Blooooooood lol. and we just gotta give him a break! I mean Alice believes in him and so should we! :))

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By: fally wally http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-2/#comment-61697 Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:15:14 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-61697 Well Bella wasn’t planing on cutting her finger so how can Alice she that??????????????????????
But I think he went off and tried to eat her because he was trying so hard and when it’s constanly on your mind you sometimes trick yourself into thinking that ohhh, it’s okay just do it. and also vampires are ruled by their emotions and are basicaly braindead dummies that can do things, so i geuss a zombie!! OHHHH AHHHHH!!!!!!

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By: Olinda http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-2/#comment-61665 Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:25:35 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-61665 Hey Kallie and Kassie..
well i think that Japer is a good vampire after all.. even if he almost bites bella and all that.. he is a good one… i think he is trying reallly hard to be like the others but he was a bad vampire and it is not easy to change of to resist the tentation that he have… is like if you haven’t it in like one day and someone comes and eat your favorite food in front of you! it is really bad.. it happen to me ones.. it was driving me crazy!! but well.. the good thing is that the cullens didn’t let him bite her. I really think it wasn’t a big deal it can always happens maybe bella was really scared, but that is what happens if she is with 7 vampires! maybe she hasn’t worry because alice was seeing the future but no one knows when you are going to cut your finger.. and bella have trouble everywhere if i was her i and i was going to go to a house with 7 vampires knowing that one of them is like new at these “vegetarian” thing, i will go with gloves and mm.. more thing like that 🙂 well after all.. i really LOVE jasper, i know he is trying to change, i think he is really serios because he dosen’t want anyone to know him better because he thinks he will scare them even it is not true (at all), he really is in pain, and if it wasn’t for alice he was going to be like every vampire in the world not the one we all love 😀
Love you podcast 🙂

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By: cullengurl http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-2/#comment-61639 Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:19:20 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-61639 I think that Jasper could have been a little closer, but in seeing what happend when bella got that paper cut i am happy that he wasn’t. I think that alice didn’t see that coming because they were not planing on anything going wrong.

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By: Lindsay http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-2/#comment-61634 Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:57:14 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-61634 i think Jasper freaked out because he was having enough trouble smelling the people at school’s blood then Edward brought Bella home and he had to smell her, and her blood temps the whole Cullen family, and then on top of having to be in a room with her for a long period of time she gets a paper cut and her blood is right there for the taking. im not blaming Bella or anything but she should have thought about being careful with the paper because a) she is very accident prone and b) she is in a house full of vampires, and she could get a paper cut from the paper.
i think Alice didnt see Bella getting a paper cut because her visions are subjective to what people decide, Bella didnt decide to get a paper cut and temp a bunch of vampires. and she couldnt see Jasper spazzing out because her hasnt done anything to put Bella in danger before.

love the show,
Lindsay
TeamEdward

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By: Josie http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-2/#comment-61612 Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:53:36 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-61612 Up until the point when Bella cuts her finger at her birthday party, Jasper had been coping really well, considering he has only been a “vegetarian” for fifty odd years, which in vampire years isn’t long at all. So, when Bella’s bleeds, of course that would send him into a frenzy; especially when Bella’s blood smells so sweet and delicious. He hasn’t fully adjusted to the Cullens’ way of life yet after being in the south for so long.

And it is obvious that Alice couldn’t see any of this happening was because Bella didn’t cut herself intentionally; she didn’t decide, “I know, I’ll cut my finger while opening my presents so that one of the Cullens attacks me”. Alice sees the future based on decisions. Although, in saying that, if she had decided to cut herself on purpose, it would be a good excuse to stop the party and all the fuss the Cullens were making, knowing Bella’s feelings about parties. But then that would have meant that all precautions to make sure Bella didn’t hurt herself would have been taken.

About the movie, I think it would be interesting to see how they are going to present how the time passes after Edward is gone, before the story picks up again. Because in the book, there are just a few pages with nothing but the month written on them. I wonder if they’d show Bella in her zombie-like state as the months go by, or whether they will just have a blank screen with the months rolling by, as if we were reading the book. And I’m looking forward to all the stunts – Alice driving through the Italian countryside, Bella’s accident on the motorcycle and the cliff diving. And not forgetting seeing how Jacob phases. So exciting.

Love the podcast, as always. Love you too Kassie & Kallie

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By: my name is not your business http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-2/#comment-61482 Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:32:18 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-61482 wow, Miranda, that’s a really good story! 🙂 i loved it. i will go read more of your stories. 🙂 😀

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By: Wendy http://twilightseriestheories.com/2009/03/12/what-was-jasper-thinking/comment-page-2/#comment-61410 Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:43:32 +0000 http://twilightseriestheories.com/?p=6554#comment-61410 What was Jasper thinking? I honestly think he wasn’t thinking. I believe he reacted solely on instinct. They were at a party. He’d been around Bella for a while now without a problem. His defenses were down. He’d stopped having to consciously think about “keeping vegetarian” because everything had been going so well. And then, when he smelled her blood ( and remember, Alice remarked about how good she smelled) he reacted instinctually.

Being the world of Twilight, this may be a bad comparison, but “vegetarian vampires” remind me of those hybrid wolf-dogs some people keep as pets. Yes, they may be domesticated most of the time, but they always have that wild, instinctual side that can come out at a moment’s notice.

As to why Alice didn’t see Jasper’s loss of control, I believe it’s first and foremost because she wasn’t looking for it. Again, defenses were down. They were at a party, having a good time. Jasper had been in control and Alice, nor any of the other Cullens, was expecting any trouble. Also, since it was an accident, and not a decision, Alice wouldn’t have had time to react to a vision anyway.

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