BD’s “Book of Bella” Podcast ~ Week #29
Aug 9th, 2008 | By Kallieross | Category: Podcasts
I know what you’re thinking… “It’s about time!” And, to that we say, “Is there ever enough time?” This week Kassie, Linsey and I talk about the first book in Breaking Dawn! There just wasn’t enough time to do it justice, but don’t worry… we will be around long enough to pick it apart sooner or later! As you can imagine, we disuss the wedding, reception, honeymoon, and all the characters we love so much! This show does contain SPOILERS for the first Book in Breaking Dawn, so BEWARE! The TST Epilogue Contest Winners are announced on the show this week… you can read their work HERE! Also, Linsey’s blog is mentioned on the show, and you can check it out HERE! This week’s music is Last Ending by Daniel Ghattas.
YAY, a new podcast! Finally we can hear your thoughts on Breaking Dawn. I’m going to listen to it now!
whee another podcast 🙂
i just finished breaking dawn today so am going to start listening to all the podcasts again 🙂
Great podcast ladies!! i stayed up late to listen to this one!!
Nice podcast, guys 😀 . I’ve been wondering about your opinions of the book ever since I finished, so it was nice to hear something.
Anyway, I wanted to comment on two things in particular, and they both pertain to the whole pregnancy bit of the podcast. First off, I just want to say that this whole “Bella’s pregnant!”-thing hit me from out in left field. One of my biggest and surest theories was that she WAS going to get pregnant (based simply on Meyer’s view of motherhood), but I honestly didn’t think it would happen this early in the book, and I totally didn’t expect either Edward or Bella to be a vampire at the time (I was leaning on the (unfortunate) theory that Edward was somehow going to become human). Anyway, that totally threw me. When Bella started throwing up, I was like, “Whoa, damn! She’s pregnant, isn’t she?!”
Anyway, I do understand the whole explanation behind it (at least, it makes sense to me), so I didn’t have any problem with the whole “vampires can’t have babies”-thing. However, I still can’t fully understand how Edward could possibly contribute to the creation of the baby. I mean (not to go into any details), but his body is supposed to be dead; how could he create the necessary *ahem* ingredients?
And then the second thing I wanted to talk about was their reactions to the pregnancy. I was surprised about both of their attitudes, but Edward’s I just couldn’t understand. First off, Bella’s reaction actually made perfect sense to me after I thought about it. I mean, she’s always been the “motherly”-type; she’s always taken care of Renee and Charlie, so the maternal role had already been created within her. Also, I think there would be something immediately wondering (as Bella put it) about feeling something move inside you when you know what it is. I mean, she just found out she was miraculously pregnant, and it had already advanced to such a stage.
As for Edward’s reaction, I was kinda mad that he thought that way. I can see where he’s coming from, but he was the one who was talking to Bella about how she wouldn’t be able to have children after she became a vampire. Well, there ya go! She gets pregnant, and suddenly he’s pissed. I honestly thought that he would be ecstatic about this. When he was frozen on the floor, I thought he was totally speechless in a good way.
Anyway, this response is WAY too long; time to cut this off 😛
Hey LOVED the podcast! I loved all the insights throughout, but I did want to make a comment. First, the pregnancy really threw me for a loop, and I was shocked. I screamed out “You’ve got to be kidding me!” when I read it, thouroughly scaring my husband who was sitting next to me! Anyway I would like to defend Edward for a moment. I know this might make me the enemy, but here’s where I see his reaction coming from. First I don’t think he thought this could happen, but once it did, and he saw how violently ill she was becoming, and how fast this baby was growing, I don’t think he was saying to himself “I don’t want a baby” I think he was saying “Is this a baby, or is this going to be a monster” He’s always considered himself a monster, since book 1. He is also not the only one who feels this way, because it’s Carlisle that is setting everything up to “get this thing out of her” I honestly believe that he thought that there was something unnatural, demon spawn comes to mind, and that if it were to be born it would be evil. I do not condone however that he didn’t bother at all to discuss this with her, that he just jumped to the first reaction he had, and assumed he was right. I did however want to defend his perspective because honestly, I was feeling the same way. I really thought that the baby was probably something evil, and that she needed to be protected. Anyway, just so people can maybe get an idea what was going through his head. I’d love to know what you think!
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Okay is anyone else not being able to read the winners work?Well I can’t and I really wan to!And yay new podcasts!
Finally, someone asks the question I’ve been having. I have such a big problem with this whole pregnancy thing. From book 1, we’ve been reminded over and over again that vampires don’t have any bodily fluids. How many times has there been a scene where the vampire, usually Edward or Esme, wanted to cry but couldn’t. The only way Edward could father a child is if he indeed does have bodily fluids. Its contradictory. And the ‘explanation’ that ‘his body is frozen’ in fact explains nothing. There’s a very large leap from frozen body to active “fluids” to pregnant Bella. Whats drawn so many people into these books is there realism. That realism is diminished when the author starts disregarding the rules she’s laid out.
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In regards to the above post, regarding the lack of bodily fluids and the ability to impregnate. Dr. carlisle later lays out, albeit in an elementary way, the genetic differences between vampires, humans and “shapeshifters.” It is an accepted fact, that for gametes to be delivered successfully between humans, there needs to be a medium of delivery, i.e. seminal fluid. This provides a protective environment for well…the little guys. Edward’s genetic make-up has been altered. the rules don’t apply. We’ve seen time and time again that just about every aspect of the vampire is exponentially stronger than the human. This probably is true down to a cellular, and even further, to the gamete level. In short, Bella’s body doesn’t present a harsh environment for the little guys to move around in. Only the seminal fluid is gone from edward , but the cells remain (most importantly, whichever cells were present at the time of his death) these mutated cells didn’t need the aid of seminal fluid to reach their intended target, they’re potent enough by themselves. That being said, UNLIKE a human, they have to be finite, because he is frozen in time, and not producing anymore cells.
Am, it says that MOST vampire’s bodily fluids are absent, just looked it up on Twilight Lexicon! It doesn’t say which ones are not…
I haven’t listened to the podcast yet… but I have read some of the comments, and wanted to share a theory that I came across about how it is possible for Edward to get Bella preg.
I was soooooo confused too… We were constantly reminded they can’t cry… they can’t process food… and they can’t get preg.
Well I was on YouTube discussing Breaking Dawn w/ someone when they pointed something out to me.
Tears are constantly produced, but sperm is just there once a boy matures. This means that once he was turned… his body basically became a freezer for the sperm.
Hope this helps 🙂
I liked the podcast up to the point of the discussion about Edward’s decisions to end the pregnancy.
I can understand Edward’s concern.Edward has spent the majority of his time protecting Bella from everything and now something has happened to her that he created.
What you have to remember is that this is not a natural conception. Edward has three medical degrees and in his 107 years of being, he has not seen anything like this. He is worried that something bad is going to happen to Bella and something needs to be done to save her. If you had a loved one and something suddenly distended their abdomen would you not want someone to do surgery to remove it. Remeber on the island they do not know if she is pregnant they are speculating that she is.
Now I do agree with you that if this was a natural conception and the man made a comment about ending the pregnancy, he should be publicly chastised.
Great podcast and once again great song selection. I just brought it on Itunes!! I was just about to say the same thing as Jlm concerning Edward’s reaction. Edward actually reacted as I expected him too. This whole pregnancy comes as shock, since as a vampire i’m sure he didn’t think he would of been able to get her pregnant and second she’s human and he’s a vampire so he knew already they would be dealing with something abnormal, so he’s reaction is sort of justified in the sense that he saw it as threat to Bella’s health.
Kallie, it’s so great to hear you waited till you were married.. it seems that there’s not many people like us nowadays. =)
To christie julien:
That’s a very good point to make, actually; I never thought of that fact. I suppose it does make sense that his sperm would be stronger, same as the other cells of his body. Does this mean that if a great number of Twilight fans knew the exact purpose of seminal fluids, they wouldn’t be so pissed about how Bella became pregnant in a seemingly impossible situation? Maybe.
bwahhhhha!!! Kassie- beat me with a stick please!!
Oh. And I’m very glad they waited. Abstinence. Love it.
*Not pretaining to this podcast but needed answer to question*
Hey, what has happened to the Lexicon? I got an email yesterday, looked just like any other response from posting when someone comments or whatever but it wasn’t and on the bottom is said “haha you’re page got hacked” and even the subject was weird. The websites down.
Can anyone help me understand what’s going on?
Side note:
Kallie and Kassie, I spent a month in Europe and was dying without your podcasts on my iPod! I listened to the old ones at least once over there!!! This one just downloaded so I can’t wait to listen to it!
re: Edward’s reaction to the baby, the dynamic of the entire relationship to this point has always included Edward as the dominant force, and Bella – for the most part – going along with the shots as he calls them. This is especially true in Eclipse. Bella’s only defense against Edward’s insistence and edicts has been her brain, trapping Edward in promises and words. When Bella is pregnant, with this unknown entity growing inside her, Edward must see it in two ways. 1. it is his fault, not only did he hurt her that first time, but because of his inability to control himself, it is now his fault that her life is potentially in danger. To Edward he must take the steps necessary to rectify this, because, let’s face it, its really un-natural, and i’m sure edward figures, love with a vampire, friendship with a werewolf, best not to press Bella’s luck further and see how it all turns out. in general the negatives outweigh the positives, plus the little brazilian maid basically told Edward that she’s seen it before, and the result is always the same – death. Edward is driven by his rationality and intellect, but he is also fueled by his passion for bella. The “thing” inside her is a threat to Bella’s life, at least that’s what all rational evidence points to. A threat to bella’s life is a threat to his as well since he won’t live without her. . It would have been one thing if 4 months later at dartmouth a little baby bump emerges, but the terrifying speed of the growth was something that HAD to be checked. Re: Bella’s maternal instinct, i think the explanation for that arises later in the book, so i won’t go into it here.
Hey guys,
The epilogue contest winners link doesn’t seem to be working. Could someone point me in the right direction as I LOVE fanfic and especially good fanfic!!
Thanks!
Hey,
I just had a FAB smart moment. If Bella and Edward didn’t wait i wonder how Charlie would have reactted…
(He’d be so ticked off.And I would sit there laughing cause Charlie is such a tipicle father.)
*Enter Me laughing so hard*
And people people said that Charlie wasn’t going to get all bent out of shape when he got the news of what “THEY” were/are.
Someone is posting chapters of Breaking Dawn on the internet, should they be allowed to do this?
Site here: http://weblog.xanga.com/SupermanRicey/668872717/isle-esme.html
I couldn’t get a more proper web adress, my computers really slow.
Hi all,
I think Stephenie never said Vampires are dead, more likely they are frozen. You could see Edward as a sperm bank 😉
I got so excited when I saw the new podcast was up cuz I’ve been waiting to hear ya’lls opinions on BD! I personally thought it rocked!! And I’m glad ya’ll think so too, so far! 😉 Anyway, I’d like to comment on some of YOUR comments. 🙂
I agree with everything ya’ll said about the wedding! And the honeymoon. I think the honeymoon was done in good taste. I was a little disappointed that she skipped from them being in the water, straight to Bella waking up the next morning. But then Bella started talking about how amazing she felt. Then you found out about the pillows and stuff and I thought, “Dang! Now that was one heck of a first time!” LOL I love that it was pretty much left to your imagination cuz so many thoughts came to my head.
I’m glad ya’ll put that message out there about waiting until you’re married to have sex. I’m a “True Love Waits” girl myself. I’m 20 years old and I’m still a virgin. I just think sex becomes so much more passionate when you wait to share it with someone you know you’re gonna spend the rest of your life with. And you know they’ve waited for this moment their whole life. It’s just so romantic knowing they are your first and they will also be your last. 🙂
I was totally shocked when Bella realized she was pregnant. Of course my first thought was, “Is that even possible?” I instantly thought of what SM had said, but I then realized she was only referring to Female vampires mostly and so it made sense that Bella was still human so of course she could get pregnant.
I have to say I wasn’t really shocked at Edward’s response. And I actually understand why he was like he was. I don’t think he would’ve made such a big deal about it if it was just like every normal pregnancy and the baby developed at a normal pace. But he knew something was definitely wrong when the baby was growing 10x it’s normal speed. So that freaked him out and all he could think about was Bella’s life. I can understand that. But i also understand Bella’s feelings to keep the baby. I do think Edward and Bella should’ve discussed it more thoroughly and come to a decision together. Or Edward should’ve just went with what Bella felt in her heart.
Anyways…long post I know! 🙂 Great podcast!! Can’t wait for the next one!
I was totally shocked about the pregnancy. I did not see that one coming at all. I really hated that after she called Rosalie we didn’t get to hear about her story after that and how she was feeling through her pregnancy. I was so mad to read in Jacob’s view and kept waiting for Bella’s point of view. I wanted to see Edward still showing his love for Bella and not being so angry with her. I was really shocked about Edwards conversation with Jake too. Wow didn’t see that one comin either.
I thought every insight in this podcast was great!
and I was disapointed in edward at that point and I think bella’s intense reaction came from his strong reaction…and at this point I was so shocked…but at the end of BD I really loved it!
HELP HELP HELP!
Loved the podcast, but i’m having some trouble veiwing the fanfiction epilouge. when i click on the link it says that what i’m looking for isn’t there. any advice? I’m dying to read it!
Where is your Jacob chapter podcast? I can’t wait to hear what ya’ll think about it.